Today we’re joined by the talented Deanna Seymour, who made the transition from art teacher to graphic designer extraordinaire (transferable skills for the win). In this episode, we're diving deep into trusting your gut, embracing your own brilliance, learning from mistakes, and much more. If you’ve ever wondered whether you had enough knowledge and skill to become a go-to expert, this one’s for you.
If you cringe with regret over the cash you've blown on courses, books, webinars, the list goes on… welcome to the club. We’re considering getting jackets. I've fantasized about building a time machine just to visit past Angie unleash a primal TRUST YOURSELF DAMMIT scream. But since time traveling isn’t (yet) a thing, consider this episode a friendly bitch slap of truth - you. are. enough. Listen now!
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Digital Marketing Strategist and host of the podcast, Eff That: Breaking the Rules of Online Business, Deanna Seymour knows the power of creativity, fun, and lettin' your freak flag fly when it comes to marketing your business.
Whether she’s hosting an online coworking sesh or helping a client get over their fear of being on camera, Deanna uses humor and empathy to build a community that helps people feel seen, heard, and ultimately more comfortable in their own skin so they can have more fun getting in front of their perfect-fit clients.
When she’s not working with clients, she’s probably callin’ out sleazy marketing tactics, hangin’ with her fam, or sneaking in some crappy reality tv!
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Angie Colee (00:03):
Welcome to Permission to kick ass. The show that gives you a virtual seat at the bar for the real conversations that happen between entrepreneurs. I'm interviewing all kinds of business owners from those just a few years into freelancing to CEOs, helming nine figure companies. If you've ever worried that everyone else just seems to get it and you're missing something or messing things up, this show is for you. I'm your host, Angie Colee, and let's get to it. Hey, welcome back to Permission to kick ass with me today is my new friend Deanna Seymour. Say hi.
Deanna Seymour (00:37):
Hello. Thank you so much for having me.
Angie Colee (00:40):
Oh my pleasure. It was, it was a journey and a half to get here too, because we had scheduling snafus and miscommunications, but we made it. We're here, we're having the chat and I am so excited.
Deanna Seymour (00:51):
We persevered. I love it.
New Speaker (00:52):
We persevered. Yeah. Well I talk about this all the time on the show. They're like, just gonna go wrong. You can't be too hard on yourself. Just find a way forward. It's the way it's gotta be. So tell us a little bit about your business and what you do.
Deanna Seymour (01:05):
So, I'm a graphic designer and content marketing strategist who helps people bring their content to life with a lot of rich, bold, quirky, sometimes visuals. Yes. So the visuals is like where my heart lies. Um, but I kinda help with some other stuff too. So that's
Angie Colee (01:22):
What I, I love that. It's interesting. Well, cuz they don't get to see the video, it's just for me be jealous. Um, I'm looking over your shoulder in the background to this big bold graphic that says what the heck, which
Deanna Seymour (01:33):
Yeah, my uh, one of my good friends Kate Duffy made that. Oh
Angie Colee (01:36):
Fantastic. So what got you into this line of work? How did you get to visuals and strategy?
Deanna Seymour (01:43):
Well I have been an art teacher for almost 15 years. I feel like I lost track cuz by the end I was like really tired and burnt out
Angie Colee (02:32):
Deanna Seymour (02:33):
Angie Colee (02:34):
I've noticed that a lot with some of the entrepreneur and I, you know, probably like attracts like, is a little bit at play here because I am also very A D H D. But I've seen that like I think that that's a brilliant solution for, I know that I'm gonna get bored with this. So what kind of variety can I build into this thing so that I can actually focus, like trick myself into focusing
Deanna Seymour (02:54):
Yeah. Well and I feel like everybody talks about niching down all the time. And so I feel like at the beginning I was like, okay, the world can't handle it if I do more than one kind of design. And then quickly realized like, no, they can handle it. It's fine
Angie Colee (03:18):
Yeah, as long as you know how to talk to the people who are attracted to that and wanna work with you, that's perfect. Like, yeah, I resist with every fiber of my being niching down and I think it's probably a D H D too, where I would be so bored.
Deanna Seymour (03:33):
Well, yeah, well I kept doing it and then I would like change my mind. So then it was really confusing. I feel like for my audience also for me to be like, here's what I'm doing. Okay, no wait, I got inspired. Here's what I'm doing. I'm not doing that. Like just trying to pinpoint it down. And I'm like, what is the common thread that goes through all these things? Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (03:53):
Deanna Seymour (04:05):
Yeah. I mean, I will admit that as a freelancer, sometimes when I'm in the middle, middle of a few different projects and they're kind of, I'm doing this for this, I'm doing videos for this person, I'm doing, you know, a logo for this person, I'm doing whatever. I'm kind of like, okay, I understand why people niche down so that they're just like doing what? Like it would make my systems on the backend mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (04:34):
Yeah. I love that. Like, play to your strengths and play to your weaknesses almost in, in effect. And create systems that help you cope with them and maybe even turn them into a strength. I like this creative problem solving. That's what we're gonna say.
Deanna Seymour (04:48):
Yeah, exactly. Yes. And I also think sometimes when people talk about like their systems and their, you know, everything's running so smoothly sometimes I think, and I'm sort of going out on a limb here, a little controversial mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (05:34):
That's sacred cow. I am happy to stomp all over the, the notion of prescriptive coaching, which I have ranted about at length. The idea that there's one solution that works for everybody, just like chaps my for some reason. Uh, so Little Southerner came out, just said, I don't know why
Deanna Seymour (06:31):
Yeah. Yeah. It just takes a second to get there sometimes. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (06:53):
Oh yeah. Well, and then it kind of like, uh, this is probably the wrong way to say it, but it was like, it it almost absolves you of the responsibility a little bit to foist it off on, Hey, I got this great plan. They told me step-by-step what's due. It didn't work. Oh. Their plan was bad.
Deanna Seymour (07:09):
Yeah, that's true. I've never thought about that. It's easy to be like, oops, not me, not my problem. Yeah.
Angie Colee (07:15):
It wasn't my fault. And, and it kind of gives you an, an excuse a reason to not look critically at whatever happens. Because I, I think this was the biggest learning of my copywriting career back when I was still a copywriter, was that often, we'll look at a big thing. The whole thing is a failure. If this one aspect of it fails and specific to copy, I would turn in drafts to clients who would look at this and go, I don't like it. That's it. And it's a ground up rewrite. And I would dig in a little bit more and be like, what don't you like specific? It's okay to tell me certain words. It's okay to highlight an entire paragraph. If you tell me you hate this and you never wanna see this on a draft again, this is all good information for me to have.
Angie Colee (07:54):
You are not going to hurt my feelings. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (08:26):
Yeah. Yeah. And it, like we've been saying too, like working for your brain and doing all this stuff for you, it's like more sustainable if it works with the way you work. So I like using it as um, like jumping off points, you know, like a good skeleton little formula. Like how do they do it? Sometimes I find too, I don't know if you ever do this or if you ever found yourself doing this, but if you look to other people too much, I've done this. Like I go down the rabbit hole, it's on social media or maybe I've like, for some reason that was participated in a bundle or somehow I've gotten on too many email lists and then I start to like think I can't do anything. Like you get frozen, you're like, okay, I'm gonna start a podcast now I have to get a court. Now I have to like look this up. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (09:13):
Deanna Seymour (09:13):
I start to feel like I can't do anything unless I Google it first. Or I want a sample, I want, I want an example of what I should write. And it's like mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (09:22):
Is Yeah. You, you have the answers. As a smart, savvy consumer, and this is you dear listener. This is you Deanna. This is you, Angie, listening to herself through her monitors. Uh, you, you have the answers and you know a lot more than you're giving yourself credit for. And just because there are other smart people out there that have found a new interesting way to position things doesn't mean that you don't know things. I was actually, I was ranting with somebody the other night in the hot tub of all places. We were talking about a book, which I will not mention by name cuz I don't wanna throw shade. That's not my style. But I remember saying like, it's a very popular business book. One of my friends who I really respect raved about it. So of course I immediately went out and bought this book and I, I read it over the course of several nights and I was.
Angie Colee (10:06):
And my friend goes, well why were you off at reading this book? I'm like, because that author didn't say anything. I couldn't have, I'm that I didn't write it. I'm that the only difference between him and me is that he put out a book and I didn't mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (10:39):
Yeah. Or you've like, I've taken a course before I've signed up cuz I'm like, oh, I don't know how to do that. And I take a course and I finish it, especially like a short little one. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know how to do that.
Angie Colee (11:02):
Deanna Seymour (11:03):
Angie Colee (11:03):
That's why I love the importance of like learning to trust your gut for better or for worse. And I think it helps if you adopt that mindset, that attitude of, I'm going to learn something. I know learning isn't sexy kids. I know it's not, we're Bannon books and all kinds of crazy that's, I'm not gonna get on that soapbox. But uh, there is something to be said for the school of hard knocks for the school of experience and actually going through something and learning what you can. A lot of these folks that you're buying courses from, that's what they're teaching. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (11:38):
Yeah. And you could do it because your brain maybe will make up a new beautiful way to do it that could work for someone else. Like if you keep following everyone else's formulas, you're not like gonna make up your own. Which is another thing that I'm get passionate about. Yes.
Angie Colee (11:51):
Yeah. Well I, I think there's merit to both approaches, right? Because that's fun of telling my, my early coaching students that uh, nobody needs a triangle wheel. Nobody, nobody needs one. We've already established that there is a wheel and that it works really, really well. And if you want a triangle wheel, cool. But I'm willing to bet that most other people won't. Unless they're using it for like a weird art piece or something
Deanna Seymour (12:41):
Angie Colee (12:44):
I know that, uh, business is a windy road and I think one of my biggest pet peeves is the fact that we get all of these miracle overnight success stories. Right. So I imagine when you've decided that visuals was your thing, that this wasn't like chick fairy dust. Everything is figured out. No.
Deanna Seymour (13:00):
Angie Colee (13:10):
It's so snappy though. I wish it was true.
Deanna Seymour (13:13):
I know. Um, no, I mean it's funny cuz all the stuff that we're talking about, like I get a little ranty about courses cuz I spent way too much money on courses in the beginning. Um mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (13:54):
And when I say voices I also mean sneaky sales pages.
Angie Colee (14:39):
Deanna Seymour (14:40):
A lot and a lot of money. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (15:22):
Cause also talk about feeling stressed out. Like we're broke, he's in the hospital. We all know the fear of like how much is this gonna cost? Like mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (16:06):
Yeah, that's the heartbreaker
Deanna Seymour (16:08):
Angie Colee (16:41):
I think that's why so many of us get uncomfortable with sales because of the times that we've been burned. Yeah. But I'm like, if you know that that's something that's important to you, that's something that you can stand on. I decided a long time ago, I can't sell. I can't do it if I don't believe in this product, you will not see my name attached to it. Period. I will recuse myself. I had that happen where I had to walk away from a five figure retainer once when I had first interviewed with this particular client to help run his marketing team. Uh, I had told him, this is what I stand for. This is who I like to work with. And I like to feel good at the end of the day because I know how marketing has been used for manipulation for evil.
Angie Colee (17:19):
Angie Colee (18:04):
Like I was that creeped out. Yeah. And I sat with it for a little while cause I'm like, this guy's paying me a lot of money. Can I afford to walk away from a five figure retainer? This is, you know, he obviously feels very strongly about this. Like wrestling with myself, second guessing myself. And at the end of the day I went, no, like I don't feel good about this service. Sure. There are probably people out there that are using it for legit reasons and not nefarious reasons, but just the fact that I know that there are a lot more people than I feel comfortable with using it for nefarious reasons, using it for stalker reasons. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (19:08):
Angie Colee (19:10):
Yeah. Around what we stand for and what's more important money or people. But yeah, I'm gonna fall down on the side of people every single time.
Deanna Seymour (19:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Well that's what, yeah, looking from the beginning I was just like, but why would people do that? You know? Or like online courses where I would start to feel like, do we care? Do we care if the person needs this course or doesn't need it? No. We just want their money or like mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (20:06):
Like, is the teacher even gonna know my name? How much is it? Like there's, you know, there's a lot of like $9 offers, $10, like 20, 50. Okay, cool. You don't have to know my name for $50. Like that's okay. Workshop. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not psycho, I don't want everybody to know my name. But I think if I'm giving you a few thousand dollars, I don't think it's like too much to ask for you to like know who I am or like what I do. I don't know. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (20:45):
Like you can keep building on what, you know, my first year I was like, oh my gosh, how am I gonna know everyone's name? So, you know, but I was like, okay, 500. Like I had 500 people in my sphere who I still kind of knew their names and I knew who was like whose brother or sister. Like we can do it. It's just do. Yeah. They want, do they want to do it? You know? Cuz they're like, oh well you can't possibly know everyone if it's this many students. And I'm like, Hmm. I think you can, I mean, even when I taught high school, I had like 120 kids all that I saw every day. That's a lot of people. Yeah. I like 20 people. Gimme $2,000. I would love that
Angie Colee (21:23):
Well yeah. And you can develop the skills to be able to prompt the folks that feel a little bit shyer. Right. Because it's easy to get to know the people who are standouts, who are extroverts, who really, um, and this, it sounds bad, but, but it's not, that's not the way that I intend it for, for like the people who recognition is a currency. Like they really want to be noticed for going above and beyond. And that's very important to them. And again, that's not a judgment. I have definitely been that me, me, me. I have the answer person in, in a class before. Yeah. Um, so like if you can get past those folks who will step up and make themselves known and reach out to the people who struggle to be known or they're uncomfortable being known and make them feel welcome too. Mm-hmm. Then you've got something really special.
Deanna Seymour (22:08):
Yeah. I just like care about, it's like, I'm like, so sue me. I care about people. Sorry, everybody. Like I started in the beginning of this journey, I was kind of like into online business and then I was like, okay, I gotta get outta here cuz I do care about people and I guess that means I'm bad at business. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (22:48):
And I was like mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (23:19):
I, I found myself on that end of the internet when I first started out too. I, I wound up in a very like masculine mm-hmm. Sales forum, uh, full of what I like to call the slingers. And I thought that that was just how business was done. Like we all brag about how big it is, we whip it out and we show each other what we've, what we've accomplished and you know. Yeah. Well we've been given naturally. I didn't enhance this or alter this in any way. And then it just so happened, you know, thankfully, like I said, I don't think any time that you spend anywhere is wasted. As long as you're taking that I'm gonna learn something from this, I'm going to learn something that I can use from this. I think that's where a lot of people get messed up in and drop out is that they find themselves in a bad experience and then they go, this was a failure.
Angie Colee (24:06):
Instead of what can I learn? So what I learned from that community is there's still good people even in a community like that mm-hmm
Deanna Seymour (24:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole ideal client avatar thing. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (25:19):
And I think that's where everybody starts. Like whatever will get me money. Cuz I know I, I started there too. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (26:05):
You start to burn out and go, this isn't the thing. What needs to change here? And then you can step back and look at, I like this project, hate that project. Like this person don't like that person. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (26:38):
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I think it's funny too that you pointed out, um, kind of getting to that burnout place cuz it's so easy to hear people say like, oh, like I, I started to notice everybody's stories were like warnings of like, this is gonna happen, so, so raise your prices or do whatever mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (27:25):
Deanna Seymour (28:04):
Like I really thought, I was like living large, I was gonna treat myself. And then the haircut was $85 and I was like, oh my god. But you know, a little bit of time away and a lot of practice later. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (28:39):
Oh, I totally agree. I I, you know, if, if you think that you are above going through this, I'm going to ask you what happens when you tell a small child, don't touch that it's hot
Deanna Seymour (28:51):
Angie Colee (28:51):
Don't touch that. You're gonna burn yourself. First of all, you've just made touching that thing irresistible by telling them not to. Second of all, they have no idea what hot is. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (29:43):
Angie Colee (29:56):
Deanna Seymour (29:56):
Wow. I need to raise it. Like in the conversation I was like, I'm doing it again. Like I'm giving away too much. I know I'm gonna be mad because like, I kept scope creeping myself cuz I get excited mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (30:33):
Brought that up because that is such a common trap that I see people falling into. And I've, I've definitely been there myself before, but it's like we want, we love these people, we love the work we're doing. We wanna keep them happy for a long time. We're excited about this new thing we're doing. So we offer them things that they didn't ask for and then the resentment starts to creep in. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (31:40):
Angie Colee (31:41):
Deanna Seymour (32:23):
Or especially like with me, I'm like, no problem. And so they're thinking like they're trusting what I said. Okay. It's no problem. Deanna doesn't care. She's fine with it. And on the other side you're like, yeah. Um, so yeah, that's something I've definitely had to learn the hard way. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (33:02):
Like, so there was like a few options on the table and then the next day I got an email saying, we will no longer be needing your services
Angie Colee (34:00):
Yeah. And that's, you know, that goes back to the context and that goes back to trusting the value that you deliver to people. Because I think that there one, oh God, there's so many good themes that are coming up. I'm having trouble picking the first one I want to explore one, if you're listening to this, odds are you grew up in a capitalist society like I did. Which is where, you know, at least here in the United States, we were raised to be very good employees. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (34:50):
It also means that the person on the other end who is taking advantage of you in that way, and they may be doing it consciously, they may be doing it unconsciously because they also have an employee filter. Right. Um, they're walking a very dangerous line, especially here in the United States. They're opening themselves up for lawsuits and litigation for treating you like an employee instead of a contractor. And I think when you spoke up and said, I'm a contractor mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (35:26):
Yeah. You're gonna be a pain in our butt outta here. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (35:31):
One of the like, it's not that hard to hold those boundaries, it's just very uncomfortable. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (36:09):
It like I didn't come at it from a defensive. I came at it from assuming that they, they know they want a thing and they understand that they're working with an independent contractor and that I get paid for the things that I do for them and this is a thing that I would be doing for them. So if all of this logic holds, then I get to tell them that thing will cost this. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (36:39):
Yeah. Like yeah, like you're saying, I don't think it's always like someone trying to like literally be a creep when they're scope creeping and they're just, they have an idea and they're like, oh what if, what about this? Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (36:53):
Nine times outta 10 clients have no idea how things work. And I think that's the another big trap that we fall into as especially creative service providers that like they know how to work with a designer or they know how to work with a copywriter. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (37:36):
Yeah. Well as a designer it's funny cuz sometimes like there's not like a specific right answer and uh, coming from a art teacher background where I encourage children to like not make it just like the example, like what it's hard for me sometimes I want to show them extra options and I'm like, you know what? Their brain can't handle it. Like, I need to sit here, I need to pick the best option and that's because that's what they're paying me for. But mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (38:11):
It's so funny because it it like, I don't know how often I've talked about the pitchfork mob, um, which is another Dan danger zone. If you go to freelancer groups online and you ask something like, is this interaction a red flag? Uh, spoiler alert, almost everybody that's ever been burns will come outta the woodwork to tell you it's a scam you're being taken advantage of. And like what you were talking about earlier is that may or may not be true. We can't know somebody else's intentions because we're not in their heads. And if we haven't asked them directly, is this the intent here? Am I missing something? Uh, you're just assuming. Right? And so it could be this instance of misunderstanding, miscommunication and it could have been a relationship that you salvaged if you didn't walk in here like, look here, head, you don't get to ask me for more work. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (39:16):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great, um, that's a great tip. I'm like, I need to like write this down. That's, that's one sentence that's a really easy email reply. Mm-hmm. To be like, yeah, sure. Just yep.
Angie Colee (39:30):
I like to think like, the thing that helps me remember to get in the right head space, especially when I'm getting aggravated is, is um, it's you and me versus the problem, not you and me against each other. And that really helps me keep the right head space, especially when they get frustrated cuz they don't know what, I don't know. They're really excited about this idea or they got a course too that tells them that they need to completely change direction on this project we've been working on for six months,
Angie Colee (40:08):
I have like a handy dandy decision tree framework where I'm like, here's where I will fight for something with a client and here's where I will let it go. And hint, 80% of the time it's a let it go situation. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (41:00):
Yeah. That's a good point.
Angie Colee (41:02):
I fell into that trap too, of thinking, well you, you hired me for my expertise and you need to listen to everything I said. No, you will, you will never control another human being. Not through a magic contract, not through the perfect persuasive words you will never, ever control a human being and trying to do. It'll make you crazy. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (41:20):
Angie Colee (41:26):
Smart. So I don't know why I got on on that tangents, but that was fun. Let's go back to you and your business. Um, I really loved, and what I wrote down here were two things that I wanted to circle back to. Transferable skills and your little reset. So transferable skills is something that I wanna shout from the rooftops because it didn't occur to me that the way I think about this is a little bit different from the way I think most people do. When I got my first copywriting job, I decided I'm going to use everything that I've done to date as an example of why I'm qualified for this job. And I just wrote up a resume that said, yeah, I've waited tables, I've taught kids math, uh, I've, I've read scripts for, uh, studio executives. I've written rich kids college papers and here's why this makes me an excellent copywriter.
Angie Colee (42:14):
Deanna Seymour (42:48):
Yeah. You probably learned the whole thing about letting it go from being a server. Like, you know what I mean? Like all of those things mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (43:08):
Well it's the same thing with, with what you said about like, and then I realized I'm already a teacher. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (43:42):
Angie Colee (43:44):
Yeah. Like looking for reasons to do a thing instead of reasons that you're not qualified for a thing. That's my favorite creative exercise and I'm gonna highly recommend it to everybody listening. Yes. And then I also wanted to bring up the, the six weeks off social media, the reset and unpack that a little bit because you know, we, we do talk about this in creative circles a lot, the need to actually build space to create instead of consuming and the danger zone of becoming too much of a consumer. So like let's dig into that a little bit. I'm just gonna throw you into the deep end. Yeah,
Deanna Seymour (44:13):
No, um, well it was funny cuz it was actually right. It was the summer, it was May, and then school gets out in June and I wasn't going back in the fall. So again my poor husband, like, he's so nice. He was like, okay, I'm just trying to understand like you're gonna start a business where you help people on social, social media, but you're gonna get off all social media for indefinitely. Like, okay, is that gonna work? Like, like trying to be supportive of being like, what are you thinking? And I was like, I don't know, I just have to get off it. I feel like at that point I was on Facebook and I feel like lots of people were saying, oh you need a Facebook group. So then I was like, okay, I need a Facebook group. And then I was trying to like, I was trying to plan it all out so I wouldn't act, I didn't wanna do it, so it was like, mm-hmm
Deanna Seymour (45:00):
I was just trying to like automate it as much as I could cuz I didn't actually want to do it. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (45:36):
I just want a break from all of it. And also like, honestly even like cousins fighting about politics or whatever, like the world, I just was like, get me outta here. Mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (46:15):
And I was like, ah, you're trying to bully me into getting back on Instagram. And then that made me even more mad. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (47:06):
Want. Well that's good. Yeah. And you may go through seasons where that changes where you're like, I don't wanna do this, I wanna take a break for a little while. I wanna see if I can miss it. You can always add things back in. Cutting something out like for now is not mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (47:46):
Absolutely not. But it was a decision that could be made and then be unmade and that, you know, you have more power to do that in your business than you think. You don't have to agonize over things and some, and in fact, making expensive mistakes like that will teach you to trust your gut a little bit more than next time. Like, ah, I knew I probably should have gone month to month and waited to see cuz I got the indication that we're probably gonna be moving in together, but then I wasn't sure mm-hmm.
Deanna Seymour (48:22):
Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, and yeah, six weeks off I feel like as, as like, sad as it sounds like nothing really changed. I don't think anyone really even missed me that much.
Angie Colee (49:01):
It was interesting, I was talking to actually another designer last night at dinner, um, and I had told her I have all these crazy ideas for stuff I wanna do, but then I get that old corporate voice in my head that says, that's unprofessional. Like, I wanted to make a stupid
Deanna Seymour (49:42):
Yeah, me too. It'll get you. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (49:50):
All right, maybe I just need to go out there and throw myself off the cliff and go ahead and do that. I
Deanna Seymour (49:55):
Mean, if you need me to like be in it too, we, I can snack on something. I mean, we can team up maybe. Who knows?
Angie Colee (50:02):
I'll tag you. I do love a snack. You, we can stitch it
Deanna Seymour (50:04):
Angie Colee (50:05):
Yeah. Oh man. I just realized that we've been going at this for like an hour, so I think we need to set up a part two because it sounds like ranting galore is what's gonna happen when we get together and I love it.
Deanna Seymour (50:17):
Yes. I'm here for it. Snacks and ranting. I'm here for
Angie Colee (50:20):
Snacks and ranting and random Whitney Houston interludes. Like what more is there that you could ask for in a a, in a single podcast episode? So I'm going to cut it a little bit short, but we're gonna say that we're gonna do a follow up here and now I'm gonna promise one. So tell us a little bit more about your business and where people can connect with you and learn more about you.
Deanna Seymour (50:40):
All right. So like I said, the main place I hang out is on Instagram and my name over there is, uh, the, at the Deanna Seymour. I don't know why I would like turned weird for a second.
Angie Colee (51:17):
This is the, this is the kind of business that I want more of. Weird and wonderful and freak flags everywhere. Yes. Let's do it. We're gonna make it happen. So thank you so much for being on the show. I'm gonna make sure that they have clickable links in the show notes and stay tuned for part two everyone. Oh my
Deanna Seymour (51:33):
Gosh. Thanks for having me.
Angie Colee (51:36):
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